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I’m pretty sure Frost must be sick. For weeks he was fine with Morn and the kittens and everyone was getting along just fine, but recently he’s been really harassing Morn. He’ll chase him all the way up stairs and into my room and Morn just spends most of his time hiding under the bed. It’s awful. And at first I thought maybe Morn and he had gotten in a fight or something, but Frost is now doing it to the kittens. He hisses when they pass and scratches at them if they get anywhere near him. And he wasn’t like this before. Cole tells me he’s never been like this ever, so he might be sick. We’re going to try everything, from adding an extra water bowl to more litter boxes, to whatever it takes. So it’s been a rough couple of days trying to deal with it. The good news is we have the kittens out of the tree and Morn is notably losing some poundage. =)


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Ri spoke on December 5th, 2007 6:04 pm with the words:

Is it weird that I think Jei and Morn look alike? …because they do.

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Bronwyn spoke on December 5th, 2007 6:17 pm with the words:

Those photos are like paintings. <3

Cats are…weird. Without my dad to consult I can only say you’re doing the right thing by providing another litter box and water bowl and so on. He may indeed be sick but sometimes cats just…get weird about other cats. Wilow was fine with Alice for months and just one day decided she was no longer fine. Odd creatures. I hope it passes though.

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elizabeth spoke on December 5th, 2007 6:21 pm with the words:

Assuming he isn’t sick, more litter boxes should be a massive help. Males are territorial, even if they are fixed, and this particularly goes for where they’re doing their business. Morn is probably getting to a size where he’s more threatening, so Frost feels the need to assume dominance. My cats did this, too, only my oldest is a girl. She still hisses at them (one in particular) from time to time, but the two don’t pay attention to her anymore. Also: I read somewhere that cats think their owners are cats, too, all part of a singular pride. So. . .make sure you discipline Frost, beat down his ego a bit, and assert your dominance over him.

Cats are just fussy from time to time. He could easily be sick, too, but this sounds like a dominance issue.

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Em spoke on December 5th, 2007 7:11 pm with the words:

Your cats are so cute I can’t get over it…!

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Sara spoke on December 5th, 2007 10:04 pm with the words:

Ri, weird, weird, weird.

Bronwyn, thank you, haha. And yeah, I’m glad that you have someone experienced to help you. I thought, “I should post this because someone will probably have some insight.” =)

Which brings me to Elizabeth- Thank you so much for this reply, and yes, I completely agree with you. I also read that when a cat is misbehaving you must discipline them yourself because they see you as part of their pride or pard. The problem I think with Frost is that before he lived here, my roommate worked two jobs and went to school full time and while she would discipline him when she was around, her roommate wouldn’t continue to do so- and so he never really understood anything. It was just poor follow through and it stuck with him. He doesn’t really think we mean it when he’s told “no”. (You see that in kids all the time too when there’s poor follow through.) Jei has really taken control of a lot of discipline with Frost, as at first he hissed and tried to scratch, but it’s amazing to see him and Jei interact now. He doesn’t ignore him, he pays attention when he’s addressing him, etc. I know Frost sees Jei as dominant. I have done some as well, and he’s getting a lot better. He doesn’t get on the counter hardly at all anymore.

I remember when I used to train Morn he’d get on the table, I’d take him off, stare down, bite down on the nape of the neck, and five seconds later he’d get right back up there. I’m remembering now what it was like as I begin to train Frost on these things, as well as the little kittens. Frost is learning though, slowly but surely, so we just have to keep at it.

And Em- they love you too. =D

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Nicole Lee spoke on December 5th, 2007 10:33 pm with the words:

Elizabeth- I feel the need to respond to your comment simply because Frost is my cat.

Morn and Frost are both adults, and were fine together for quiet a while- but he’s always been skittish. And he’s not use to this many people or this many cats. He’s gotten more used to it- yes, but still, he’s never taken to crowds all that well.

As for asserting dominance, as I’ve mentioned in the past he doesn’t really adhere to those rules as well as some cats do. I’ve punished him, stared him down, and drilled it into his that some things are just not okay, but he has some trouble accepting that.

But like Sara said, he’s never been like this in the past. There is something seriously wrong, and I am hell bent set on figuring out what it is and how I can fix it.

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Bronwyn spoke on December 5th, 2007 11:51 pm with the words:

Alice needs reminding every few months that I’m the dominant one. I did this daily for the first year of her life but only do it now when she does something bad.

Simply pick him up by the scruff of his neck and flip him over onto his back on your lap. Then just stare at his eyes and I sometimes “growl” the word “no.” Only let go when it’s clear it’s on your terms and not his. It works for her but then again she rarely crosses the line.

The cat at home on the other hand…*rolls eyes* No one ever bothered to train that one.

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Bronwyn spoke on December 5th, 2007 11:55 pm with the words:

Wow, sorry, I just read Nicole’s post.

Definitely don’t rule out the sick thing, I agree that’s something to pursue as animals frequently change their behaviour if they’re not feeling well.

Two adult males, I’ll admit, I was shocked when I first read about it. Introducing a female kitten to my sister’s female adult was hard enough so it’s not shocking you guys would have trouble. They’ll eventually establish a pecking order though, sick or not. So I can only assume this is temporary. Good luck!

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Sara spoke on December 6th, 2007 12:27 pm with the words:

I actually read that it’s recommended to try two boys before you try two girls, as they are far more territorial. Anyway, if you do it right, boys will be friends for life, but otherwise- they may not ever get along. It’s just strange that they *were* getting along just fine before. And now suddenly he’s having issues. And yeah, I watched Jei flip Frost over and he was just hissing and spitting at him and eventually he calmed down and looked away from Jei and so he let him go. It was insane to watch.

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Abby H. spoke on December 6th, 2007 1:24 pm with the words:

The first picture is stunning, the cat seems to have a very human-like expression on its face. It’s almost eerie. From the pictures your cats all seem to have very distinct personalities, which is always a good thing :D

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Sara spoke on December 6th, 2007 1:28 pm with the words:

Maybe that’s why Ry said Morn and Jei looked alike. I just realized I switch between calling him “Ri” and “Ry”. Weird. I guess today it felt like he needed a “y”.

=D

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Ri spoke on December 6th, 2007 1:42 pm with the words:

He looks like his daddy! ….though I think TECHNICALLY, I’m his father, and Jei is his step dad. …yeah . . .

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Bronwyn spoke on December 6th, 2007 5:23 pm with the words:

Wow really? I didn’t know that, lol, though it makes sense. I have two female rats and they’re over two years old and ALWAYS trying to dominate the other. Perhaps with boys it’s more clear?

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